Joint pain problem

[Thracian]

I gotta question someone might be able to help me with. About 3 weeks into the cycle. Having some joint pain problem and I can't quite pin point why. I'm doing 750mg/week test enanthate, 400/week tren, 100-150 mg a day Anadrol.

I'm running a little Arimidex on and off as needed. When I stopped the Arimidex the joint pain dissapeared. I figure the extra Estrogen helped the joints. I have no nipple tenderness. The joint pain then came back even while off the arimidex??

I can't pin point the cause. Too much estrogen? Too little? Wrong dose of Arimidex? Wrong to use Arimidex altogether? Is this a side of the Anadrol? I've ran it before at 50mg/day and never had a problem. Something different altogether?? I don't have a history of joint pain. What do you think? Thanks.

[Mr.X]

Joint pain can be caused by many factors, the most common - you'll see - is having low water retention (which is a good thing - but not always for joints). You might want to consider trying glucosamine, chondroitin and DMSO on your joints.

[coolgal]

This is exactly the main reason why it's recommended to not Stack things until you've used them on their own...you're using 3 things and have no clue which one is causing you this joint issue.........if you had previously used each on it's own...you'd be able to pin point which was the culprit...to either lower the dose, discontinue use....etc

[djsf]

I completely agree with Cutieface. Let's not stack all sorts of stuff just to use as much gear as possible on cycle. More is not always better! Cycling is a complex art, and there are tons of side effects. In most cases, there is nobody watching after you except for yourself. If you are not a doctor or pharmacist or don't have one looking after you, it is in your best interest to master compounds one at a time so you can successfully analyze and resolve the inevitable problems.

You are using what I call "advanced" compounds. Two, actually: Anadrol and Tren. Generally I wouldn't recommend for a novice or intermediate AAS user to touch either of those compounds. Why? Because both have risks that outweigh the benefits for most, since simpler and safer compounds are available that work really well. I would suggest the only people who should look at tren or anadrol are users who have gotten so big that nothing else really works for them anymore. That might happen after 10 or more cycles. How many cycles have you done?

You have the classic problem of having too many variables and not enough known values. It is not really solveable. If you are running into serious side effects, your best bet would be to end your cycle now, do your PCT and let yourself recover. Then, after waiting for a full recovery, start over by redoing the last successful cycle you have previously completed. If you have never previously completed a cycle, do a testosterone-only cycle and be successful with that first. If you did a previous cycle and had problems with it, do your research and try to figure out what went wrong, then make some minimal but necessary changes and repeat that cycle with the corrections. Once you have a working protocol, build slowly on what works, introducing only one new variable at a time, or none.

Best of luck to you. Keep us posted here with what you decide and we'll try to help you along.

[Thracian]

Thanks for the sincere concern and the good advice. I've been cycling a couple years now though. The only drug here that's new to me is the Tren. Should I conclude that it's the tren then? That didn't seem logical as I've not found any research showing tren to be hard on the joints. My only guess is too much arimidex drying me out but it's never happened before. That's why I'm asking.

[Avid Learner]

try lowering your adex a bit and see how you respond?

[Avid Learner]

disregard... just reread your post and I suppose that's not the problem... anything else different in your life besides the tren?

[djsf]

I have not heard of tren causing joint problems, but I suppose it's possible. I have also not heard of adex causing that. But chance did you change anything else? Did you by chance up your dose of anadrol? 150mg ed is a pretty high dose.

What I would do then, is reverse any changes made from your previous cycle, including added compunds and increased dosages. If the problem goes away, it's your changes that caused it. If not, then you have a very intersting situation in that it's something else altogether, possibly diet or lifestyle-related.

Also, are you drinking enough water?

[Spook]

Drinking enough water would help for certain, but I don't see Tren being an issue to be honest. Instead of all of the chemical changes and additions as well as the new stack, what about training changes? If you are pushing yourself too hard in the gym that could be the problem with the joints. Connective tissues and stabilizer tissues just don't grow as fast and as strong as regular skeletal muscle will under the influence of the sauce. I have experienced increased confidence using tren, upped my weights only to end up having some joint problems from trying to go too heavy too fast in the gym before.

[coolgal]

Spook brings up a good point........